istanbul evden eve nakliyat eşya depolama uluslararası nakliyat uluslararası evden eve nakliyat evden eve nakliyat istanbul ev taşıma istanbul nakliye firması ev eşyası depolama istanbul depo kiralama gebze nakliyat eşya depolama

Conversation of Jack Sarfatti with Henry Stapp

Details
Category: Science News Archive (2016)


Begin forwarded message:

From: JACK SARFATTI <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Re: Block Universe Einstein Bergson London Review - Henry Stapp's confusion on post-quantum theory beyond quantum theory
Date: August 8, 2016 at 9:49:54 AM PDT
To: "This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it." <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

Fiber bundles.
 
 
 

 
The Dirac bra-kets in Sutherland’s Lagrangian e.g. <f|x> and <x|i> for strong measurements constraints live in fiber space in the world bundle in which the block universe is the base space. All the complexity, dynamical the unfolding of events, psychological arrow of time etc are quantum BIT patterns in fiber space! There is no problem here at all.
Becoming on here and now fiber depends upon both future and past fibers on the world lines of the beables in Novikov globally self-consistent histories.
 
 
Also not every last detail of what actually happens on every scale are pre and post-determined. The past and future boundary conditions are coarse-grained constraints. Past and future causes of present effects are partial causes - like Lagrange multipliers in statistical mechanics. 
 
Will have more to say later. I just woke up and have foundation business to deal with in next few days.
 
That there are future and past co-causes of present effects is part of Yakir Aharonov’s theory of weak measurements between strong measurements. The weak measurements show the Bohm particle trajectories - in the zero back activity limit of post-quantum theory where the particle trajectories coincide with the pilot wave streamlines.
 
The only way to reconcile quantum entanglement with Einstein special relativity is the Costa-de Beauregard zig zag used by John Cramer in TI - this demands future causes of present effects as explained most clearly by Rod Sutherland. Configuration space and preferred frames no longer needed.

On Aug 7, 2016, at 10:09 PM, Henry Stapp <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.> wrote:

Yes, Jack. Henri Bergson did not understand relativity, but Heisenberg, Pauli, Bohr, and von Neumann did, and in their
Orthodox QM “ history unfolds”! In your understanding of Sutherhand’s Lagrangian theory is there an idea/theory
of “becoming”: of physically described facts coming into being? ---of the initial condition “existing” before the final condition?
Of the first story of a brick house coming into existence before the second story that rests upon it?
Aharonov’s theory is equivalent to the orthodox single advancing-in-time theory in which the physically described world
“becomes”: i.e., comes into existence step-by-step; earlier before later. Its success is not evidence for backward-in-time
Influence/causation. In your (valued by me) educated opinion does Sutherland’s Lagrangian theory correctly discredit that idea.

No Henry you completely miss the point. You are like the flat lander who cannot conceive of the third space dimension.
 
Of course Aharonov’s theory is equivalent to orthodox quantum theory because he averages over the <f|i> destiny bra-kets as shown in detail in Sutherland’s papers.
 
Aharonov does not even conceive of the post-quantum back-activity term in Sutherland’s Lagrangian so he completely MISSES the NEW POST-QUANTUM PHYSICS!
 
Aharonov does not use the Bohm pilot wave picture. He cannot conceive of back-activity because he has no beables to make the back-reaction!
 
Henry what you say is like a person saying that spacetime curvature is not possible.
 
Again please understand what the point is here.
 
Post-quantum theory is to quantum theory as general relativity is to special relativity.
 
General Relativity = Special Relativity + Equivalence Principle + Action-Reaction (Space-Time <—> Matter)
 
Post-Quantum Theory = Quantum Theory + Action-Reaction (Pilot Waves <—> Space-Time + Matter)
 
Sutherland’s Lagrangian is POST-QUANTUM
 
He then takes the limiting case that requires TWO STEPS
 
1) the action reaction term set to zero - this corresponds to de Broglie’s guidance constraint in the double solution that in the simplest case is
 
v = (h/m)GradS
 
2) take the weighted integral of the weak <f|x>A(x)<x|i>/<f|i> over all <f| POSTULATING THE BORN RULE |<f|i>|^2
 
when you do both you are back to orthodox quantum theory.
 
This whole process is analogous to setting Ruvwl = 0 in the field equations of GR to get SR over a finite region of spacetime.
 
 
 
 
I was JUST about to start reading that paper when your letter arrived. So it will be very helpful to me to know in advance your
considered Judgment on this key question.
 
Best regards,
Henry