On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:02 AM, "Hameroff, Stuart R - (hameroff)" <
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From: Hameroff, Stuart R - (hameroff)
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:16 AM
To: Ruth Elinor Kastner
Subject: RE: Feedback on the Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow
Free will needs to be rescued from the mainstream view in neuroscience and philosophy. Because measurable brain neuronal activity correlating with conscious perception occurs AFTER we respond to that perception, seemingly consciously, consciousness is deemed epiphenomenal and illusory.
Backward time effects (as shown experimentally by Radin/Bierman, Bem, Libet and Zeilinger's group) can rescue conscious will in real time.
Yes, that is my position on this as well.
My new paper on this deals with where, when and how quantum back referral acts in the brain (dendritic microtubules during integration phases in integrate-and-fire neurons).
I dont know your (Ruth's) model, but even with an unfolding universe we have the issue of determinism. If we do choose in real time (using back referral), and thus create reality, were our actions still the inevitable result of nature, nurture, and the environment around us? Penrose OR brings in non-computable influences from outside the computational system at hand (neural brain processes).
Stuart
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From: Ruth Elinor Kastner [
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:09 PM
To: Hameroff, Stuart R - (hameroff)
Subject: Feedback on the Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow
Free will does not need to be 'rescued' if you are working with my possibilist TI (PTI) --it is fully compatible w/ free will.
The mistake that seems to threaten free will is thinking that 'physics tells us there is a block world' --no, block world is not a necessary inference from physics.
RK
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From: JACK SARFATTI [
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:57 PM
To: JACK SARFATTI
Subject: Re: Feedback on the Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow
On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:45 AM, "Hameroff, Stuart R - (hameroff)" <
Bem is extremely relevant (as is Libet, and the Zeilinger backward time effects).
But it is futile to discuss this without a clue about where and how backward time effects can occur in the brain.
My paper
How quantum brain biology can rescue conscious free will
(submitted/invited to Frontiers special issue on Neurodynamics of free will)
addresses these issues. Backward time effects can act via quantum effects in
collective integration in dendrites which influence/regulate axonal firing.
Backward time effects are necessary for free will, and to avoid epiphenomenal consciousness.
Stuart
I agree with Stuart.
On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:48 AM, JACK SARFATTI <
I absolutely agree with you on that.
We need signal nonlocality in the sense of Antony Valentini's papers for that in my opinion.
Subquantum Information and Computation
Antony Valentini<http://arxiv.org/find/quant-ph/1/au:+Valentini_A/0/1/0/all/0/1>
(Submitted on 11 Mar 2002 (v1<http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0203049v1>), last revised 12 Apr 2002 (this version, v2))
It is argued that immense physical resources - for nonlocal communication, espionage, and exponentially-fast computation - are hidden from us by quantum noise, and that this noise is not fundamental but merely a property of an equilibrium state in which the universe happens to be at the present time. It is suggested that 'non-quantum' or nonequilibrium matter might exist today in the form of relic particles from the early universe. We describe how such matter could be detected and put to practical use. Nonequilibrium matter could be used to send instantaneous signals, to violate the uncertainty principle, to distinguish non-orthogonal quantum states without disturbing them, to eavesdrop on quantum key distribution, and to outpace quantum computation (solving NP-complete problems in polynomial time).
We need to transcend the no-signaling theorem in its several forms including no-cloning.
Mike Towler in his Cambridge Lectures cites my work on this
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http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~mdt26/PWT/lectures/bohm8.pdf
Of course the no-signaling theorem works for unconscious dead matter in my opinion, but not for the living conscious mind.
On Aug 19, 2012, at 1:04 AM, "Kafatos, Menas" <
Actually quoting Bem does nothing for QM or psychology. I believe Henry Stapp (and if I say myself) have talked about the Bem
Experiments and published in the retrocausation conference. When we talk about psychological experiments involving sentient beings and “conscious” particles, we have to take it further as to the real implications.
From: JACK SARFATTI [mailto:
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:41 PM
To: JACK SARFATTI
Subject: Re: Feedback on the Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow - in real local Pacific Coast time
Jack Sarfatti<https://www.facebook.com/jack.sarfatti> shared a link<http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fibc.chapman.edu%2FMediasite%2FViewer%2F%3Fpeid%3D7b1ded6174a146189212090b27818a781d&h=YAQETdYcHAQE8n3b1C4a6gmHlCXyHb0icMYVFoPCzBWqbpA&enc=AZN8Vy4rai04SOAKvHboWOvGCu8dB3S-JiFBOsHHAvlzpTy0QO5pmR2tzXDIK0RNW1SsdtyKDnH_oZdDR1DF60ep&s=1>.
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David Albert's talk was a disaster. Unfortunately Yakir's final talk suffered from his lack of clear speaking of English and the Chinese pen on the whiteboard that did not work. Nobel Prize physicist David Gross and others did not get what
Yakir was trying to say. Yakir, in desperation, cited Daryl Bem's "Feeling the Future" presponse papers! I think Yakir is correct of course as far as he goes, but he does not go far enough. Yakir pays lip service to the no-signalling theorems explained by Gisin, though he totters on the edge of Nietzsche's Abyss. More post-mortem anon. ;-)
See for yourselves at
Nicolas Gisin: “Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed influences leads to signaling”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
David Albert: “Physics and narrative”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=f9b9519414844b79b36ffda1240c65061d
Yakir Aharonov: “Can the future of a quantum particle affect the present without negating free will?”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7d6c6e07e0df4926847f67cb4e0cca001d
<http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7b1ded6174a146189212090b27818a781d>
08/18/12 Celebrating Aharanov: Nicolas Gisin: “Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed influences.<http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7b1ded6174a146189212090b27818a781d>
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08/18/12 Celebrating Aharanov: Nicolas Gisin: “Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed influences leads to signaling” (Javascript is required to view Mediasite content)<http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7b1ded6174a146189212090b27818a781d>
On Aug 18, 2012, at 1:54 PM, JACK SARFATTI <
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Subject: Re: Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow - in real local Pacific Coast time
Date: August 18, 2012 1:45:47 PM PDT
Data from CIA SRI precognitive remote viewing of Puthoff & Targ & the Libet--> Radin --> Bierman ---> Bem data.
Of course that's signal nonlocality violating orthodox QM and Yakir is not including such an extension, though he would be open to it if one could make a lab device to show it.
Also I derived the observed dark energy density hc/ALp^2 as ADVANCED Hawking radiation back from our future event horizon where it is hc/Lp^4 and it is redshifted down to hg/ALp^2 where A is the area of the future horizon. The real Hawking thermal photons are "infinitely" redshifted down to virtual photons appearing as dark energy accelerating the universe.
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From: JACK SARFATTI [
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:36 PM
To: JACK SARFATTI
Subject: Fwd: Back From The Future with Yakir Aharonov - live online tomorrow - in real local Pacific Coast time
It's Yakir's 80th Birthday - it's his show not mine. It looks like a very interesting meeting and I will be watching it on-line and making comments that will be recorded on video and sent around the Web via social networks like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn etc etc.
Yakir Aharonov: “Can the future of a quantum particle affect the present without negating free will?”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7d6c6e07e0df4926847f67cb4e0cca001d
On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:19 PM, David Mathes <
Jack
What? No Jack Sarfatti at a Back to the Future conference?
What were they thinking?
And thank you for the heads up.
Best
D
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Date: August 16, 2012 3:04:18 PM PDT
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David Gross: “A Century of Quantum Mechanics”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 8:35 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=051dbb1dfcd54e3380e7329413d115161d
Francois Englert: “Symmetry breaking and the scalar boson”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 9:05 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=8ef0c5e4eb544f15ac01d9b6a0c12b501d
Lenny Susskind: “Fast scramblers”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 9:35 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=732e3ccdcc72404aa01bfdf7870f20871d
Bill Unruh: “Thoughts on quantum measurement”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 10:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=69dc1e00008c422cbf8412fb7613de151d
Yakir Aharonov: “Review of the time-symmetric formulation of Quantum Mechanics”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 11:15 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=a01d892e57824755b6884d1f87daa65a1d
Sir Michael Berry: “Weak value probabilities”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 11:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b434c3e5c47144019ac82e5dc664d3cb1d
Paul Kwiat: “Making Strong Measurements Weaker, and Weak Measurements Stronger”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=48efe50c4ba843258b5b4917eb411e161d
Andrew Jordan: “Weak values: the progression from quantum foundations to tool”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=96a0dd88d0794315ad9dbc0fe4a497611d
John Howell: “Weak values and precision measurements”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=94ff2b48845f41fda2c242dc3d0ad8f11d
Daniel Rohrlich: “PR-Box correlations violate relativistic causality in the classical limit”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=8f3cf86b483d48c589ac799445f9bd921d
Philip Pearle: “Collapse miscellany”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=347ac491797742168474ce99e238c6cf1d
Scott Aaronson: “The ghost in the quantum Turing machine”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=41318a6361fe4f0d8e694740c168484d1d
Paul Davies: “Quantum post-selection in cosmology”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 4:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=28175935927f42dc872cd9e909eb37c61d
Sean Carroll: “A big universe”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 4:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b9d84f5e8229434c9d8cf26c45a243e41d
James Hartle: “The quantum mechanical arrow of time”
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=ceaebc92dc104828a7187c80e4ebf9911d
Sir Anthony Leggett: “Macrorealism, noninvasiveness and weak measurement”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 8:30 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=61e27eca0ed043e29e3fe09a6e81ead81d
Aephraim Steinberg: “Weak measurement, uncertainty relationships, and tradeoffs in experimental quantum measurements”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 9:00 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=5bbe1b68ad154ae5ac425174e975a1321d
Andrew Briggs: “Experimental implementations of quantum paradoxes”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 9:30 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=a3c37383a12743d5abfedc9a53be3b751d
Neil Turok: “Anatomy of quantum tunneling”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 10:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=369d027bcbd14950b6d0d2d2734d22641d
Raymond Chiao: “Observation of a novel Aharonov-Bohm effect in two linked superconducting rings composed of different materials”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 11:15 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=20fd78a1355b45048c479f718bc845341d
Lev Vaidman: “Paradoxes of the Aharonov-Bohm and Aharonov-Casher effects”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 11:45 AM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=191a5b58046348a1956e596e43ad8cb71d
Aharon Casher: “Bounds on the norm of super-oscillatory functions”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=ccfbb353012b4570ac527df54aead79b1d
Benni Reznik: “Topological Wilson-loop area law manifested using a superposition of loops”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b07f9f3e3022432ca7f58cd79015d45d1d
Shmuel Nussinov: “A pre- and post- selected network picture for universal evolution”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=3f8e069bb9d14eeca71eaa82ac3250931d
A.D. Parks: “Weak Energy: form and function”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=5110c1e5bfa04deab29e57f2ed1830e41d
Lars Johansen: “Weak values beyond post-selection”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 2:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b3eaea6e531143c984509ef5ca84f0621d
Alonso Botero: “Entanglement and weak values: a quantum miracle cookbook”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 3:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=73b9081c617340dab42547ad7dac0bd81d
Nicolas Gisin: “Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed influences leads to signaling”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7b1ded6174a146189212090b27818a781d
David Albert: “Physics and narrative”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 4:30 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=f9b9519414844b79b36ffda1240c65061d
Yakir Aharonov: “Can the future of a quantum particle affect the present without negating free will?”
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Duration: 00:30:00
Link: http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=7d6c6e07e0df4926847f67cb4e0cca001d
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