:-)
On Jan 5, 2012, at 10:21 PM, R005T3R wrote:
Ontologically speaking, the Nanomorphic SimUjahedin
RetroFlux Field (NSURFF) approach to funky spatial
"para-intrapolative" optic recourses to conceptualize
the many-sheeted, tightly stretched latex simulacrum,
vis a vis, sentient self-modeling, is a lot like
multi-helical spaghetti noodles in virtual nonlocal
scalar-like, antivectored, totally outre' wyrd (sic)
space... don't you think?
Yes. By Jove, I think you've got it.
Has this already been patented by the Germans?
My money's (metaphorically speaking) on the tripartite
merger of the "global, military/industrial complex", the
"entertainment industry", and the cybernetics of the
iconolastic, ontologically minded, physicist-laborers
who are plucking "superluminal volocities attained by
practical propellantless propulsion systems" out of their
(or somebody's) heads!
Indeed, it's
Or has that particular three-way merger already occurred?
I suspect it will be recognizable by a general increase
in __________...?
Obsessive Compulsive?
I was Obsessive Compulsive, once.
They locked me in a rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
I died in that rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
They buried me in the cold, cold ground.
There were Multidimensional Wormholes
in that cold, cold ground.
Multidimensional Wormholes make me
Obsessive Compulsive.
Obsessive Compulsive?
I was Obsessive Compulsive, once.
They locked me in a rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
I died in that rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
They buried me in the cold, cold ground.
There were Multidimensional Wormholes
in that cold, cold ground.
Multidimensional Wormholes make me
Obsessive Compulsive.
Obsessive Compulsive?
I was Obsessive Compulsive, once.
They locked me in a rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
I died in that rubber room with
Sarfatti, Woodward, and Zielinski.
They buried me in the cold, cold ground.
There were Multidimensional Wormholes
in that cold, cold ground.
Multidimensional Wormholes make me
Obsessive Compulsive... etc., etc. etc...
Book Review -
How the Hippies Saved Physics -
By David Kaiser - NYTimes.com
http://tinyurl.com/HTHSP-BY-DK
What Physics Owes the Counterculture
By GEORGE JOHNSON
Published: June 17, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/HTHSP-BY-DK
Excerpt:
[...] In "How the Hippies Saved Physics:
Science, Counterculture, and the Quantum Revival,"
David Kaiser, an associate professor at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, turns to
those wild days in the waning years of the
Vietnam War when anything seemed possible:
communal marriage, living off the land, bringing
down the military with flower power. Why not
faster-than-light communication, in which a
message arrives before it is sent, overthrowing
the tyranny of that pig, Father Time?
That was the obsession of Jack Sarfatti, another
member of the group. Sarfatti was Wolf's colleague
and roommate in San Diego, and in a pivotal moment
in Kaiser's tale they find themselves in the lobby
of the Ritz Hotel in Paris talking to Werner Erhard,
the creepy human potential movement guru, who
decided to invest in their quantum ventures.
Sarfatti was at least as good a salesman as he
was a physicist, wooing wealthy eccentrics from
his den at Caffe Trieste in the North Beach section
of San Francisco.
Other, overlapping efforts like the Consciousness
Theory Group and the Physics/Consciousness Research
Group were part of the scene, and before long
Sarfatti, Wolf and their cohort were conducting
annual physics and consciousness workshops at the
Esalen Institute in Big Sur.
Fritjof Capra, who made his fortune with the
countercultural classic "The Tao of Physics" (1975)
was part of the Fundamental Fysiks Group, as was
Nick Herbert, another dropout from the establishment
who dabbled in superluminal communication and wrote
his own popular book, "Quantum Reality: Beyond the
New Physics" (1985). Gary Zukav, a roommate of
Sarfatti's, cashed in with "The Dancing Wu Li
Masters" (1979). I'd known about the quantum
zeitgeist and read some of the books, but I was
surprised to learn from Kaiser how closely all
these people were entangled in the same web.
Kaiser says his title was inspired by
Thomas Cahill's "How the Irish Saved Civilization,"
and he has a similar aim: to show, with a healthy
dose of irony, how another "unlikely group of
underdogs and castaways kept the torch of
learning aflame." He reminds us that the
pioneers of quantum mechanics -- Werner Heisenberg,
Albert Einstein, Wolfgang Pauli, Niels Bohr,
Erwin Schrodinger -- argued endlessly about the
implications of their equations: particles that
were somehow waves of probability, that hovered
in superposition between two states, that made
quantum jumps without traversing the space in
between. These thinkers were often as engaged
with the philosophy as they were with
the mathematics.
Ultimately the interpretations were only words:
futile attempts to grasp something beyond language
and maybe beyond mind. By the time the hippies were
in school, physics textbooks had all but abandoned
the messiness of meaning. Quantum physics worked.
The message was "Shut up and calculate." I remember
the letdown. I thought for a while that I wanted
to be a physicist. I was glad to read here that
philosophizing about physics has made a comeback
in university classrooms. Without the enthusiasms
of the Fundamental Fysiks Group, Kaiser speculates,
the inquisitive spirit might never have been revived.
More specifically, Kaiser argues that the hippies,
with their noble failures, contributed to a
cutting-edge technology called quantum cryptography.
A member of the collective, John Clauser, conducted
the first experiment that confirmed Bell's theorem,
suggesting that two subatomic particles, once they
have been in contact, will remain subtly entangled
no matter how far they are separated in space.
This "nonlocality," the fysicists felt in their
bones, would allow for instantaneous signaling.
Herbert was devising what appeared to be a
particularly ingenious scheme, and in the course
of debunking it, Kaiser ventures, mainstream
physicists came to appreciate that entanglement
does allow for something else: encrypting messages
so that they are impossible, in theory, to
surreptitiously intercept.
http://tinyurl.com/HTHSP-BY-DK
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SarfattiScienceSeminars/messages
--- On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:01:50, Gary G Ford <
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} To: Demo Hassan <
}
} Subject: Re: DR QUANTUM (Re: Retro Temporal Paradox
} Avoidance Bifurcation Syndrome
} & Deser's model, Kip Thorne)
Demo, You are a fascinating collector and promulgator of
ideas! As to inconstancy of "universal constants": the very
idea that these SHOULD BE UNIVERSALLY CONSTANT in
both Space and Time may demonstrate really that
"edgy" theoretical physicists may be driven
by the very same lone-lived demons
which once inhabited theologians
and medieval philosophers,
driving them towards
earlier quixotic
quests of the
Immutably
Divine!
)))***(((
Certainly, the quote about "Vampyrism" applies to the
emotional and psychic variety of mentallic energy and
creative novelty harvesting, idea thirsty, feeding kind?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As I view the current corner of my piece-wise,
barely connected existences, I find a smile
provocating urge to laugh, to revel,
to enjoy the wishful farce which
presents itself all around me,
as naked apes, especially
the jewish variety,
seek for distant
Stars, and Far
BEYOND!
Like garden slugs in deep lush valleys of
lower Nepal, they seek to rise beyond the
living bridges of strangler figs coaxed to use
by ingenuousities above, then fling themselves
upon the apparently impossible, that one day
they might cruise and glide upon the crests,
so climb upon the tops of Mountainous
Ridges and Peaks, Remote and Lofty,
Cold beyond their experiential
Imagining, that on Ridges
of Impossibility, they
May prove Worthy
To Travel FAR
BEYOND,
then
die!
But FOR THAT, I am afraid,
FIRST the Earth must Warm
Much, with Immense Moisture
Raised on High, and Heat, then
Transferred to the edge of the Sky!
FOR THAT, were you thus BORN, Demo Hassan?
Is SUCH your Plan? ... How many incarnations
have you now had since your distant original
slugdom? And how many more will come?!
That Slugs May Triumphantly Climb Up,
Both Everest and K2, Slide Down,
And Rude Primitive Fictions
Of the OT Biblical Myths
become Re-MADE too -
by Time-backwards
Traveling JEWS ? -
to COME TRUE?!
And THERE THEY COME! ... Contented SLUGS
raining down with water of a highest fall,
falling in completed fulfilling Joy
from so dreamingly far high,
upholding their Quest,
as their multiple
generational
Goals ARE
attained
for us all
TO SEE ...
raining,
yes, crashing ...
down, willingly so,
to their fulfilled deaths,
that their purpose has been
made, by their Iron Will,
to COME TRUE! -
and That THEY,
Who TRIED,
May ALSO
REACH
The
Limits
of THEIR OWN
Most Sublime SKY!
What a Beautiful SCENE this shall become,
Ending the Universal Movie, with all seeing,
Eyes weeping, yet mouths so eager to talk,
faces paralyzed for the moment, frozen
on smiles forced by up-welling Joy,
Of their Goals COMING TRUE!
AMEN
Gary, COSMOS CHILD, For THE SWIMP!
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/divinepr.htm
On 21/12/2011 11:56 PM, Demo Hassan wrote:
Non Sequitur?
-=[[NOTE: Quote: [...] "Vampyrism is
a unique Black Magical condition that
in and of its very nature requires a
Posture, which enables a natural and
effortless exchange of Power from the
lesser to the Greater. In normal
communication, this power is evidenced
by the psychological control exerted
over others. Through our Black Magic,
this Power is evidenced by accessing
what is known as lucid dreaming and
increasingly gaining mastery over
that state of Becoming which is
desirable in its own right." [...]
'Order Of The Vampyre' - T'.'S'.'
http://www.xeper.org/ovampyre/
And/or:
http://www.google.com/search?q=contemporary+vampirism ]]=-
http://tinyurl.com/oltissis
"Unfortunately the ability to change the
course of events is rarely accompanied by the
knowledge to do so wisely."
"Decisions on a galactic scale cannot be
granted the luxury of opinionated debate.
They must be made instantaneously on the basis
of a completely dispassionate analysis of all
relevant data, and solutions must be implemented
with equal promptness. Either a delay or an
error in the process can cause markedly
disproportionate damage as the effects multiply
logarithmically at successively lower echelons of
the administrative network." [...]
"[T]he only solution is to place Imperial
sovereignty for purely deductive considerations
under the control of an extended time-span
forcasting computer."
-- Darth Vader - The Secret of Sith,
1. Mission to the Senate - Page 75
The Dark Side by Michael A. Aquino (c)1977,1988,
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/ 1999,2002...
[][][][][]
"Project Star Gate": $20 Million Up in Smoke (and Mirrors)
by Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
Lt. Colonel, Military Intelligence, USAR-Ret.
The Intelligencer: Journal of U.S. Intelligence Studies
Volume 11, Number 2 - Winter 2000
Association of Former Intelligence Officers
Excerpt:
"... Psychological Operations specialists know that
it is the conscious mind which must be reached for
opinion or behavior modification, and that it is
reached reliably and predictably through the normal
communicative senses. Similarly the mind expresses
itself through these same senses, and through media
technology we have developed a multitude of ways to
amplify and transmit such expressions. Communication
between minds is no longer the problem; it is the
content of that communication and the ethics
underlying it which challenge us, particularly as
old nation-state, ethnic, cultural, and social
standards continue to mutate in this final decade
of the 20th century."
[] From: "Project Star Gate" by Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
[See: "StarGate.pdf 06-Feb-2009 06:37 22k" -
At URL: < http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/ >]
[][][][][]
"Alone of the Valar do I exist apart from him,
hence can do so. And so I tell you this:
He is not cruel, any more than he is benevolent.
He is a force of indifference and hazard in this
universe, and what appears here upon Arda is the
result of that and no more. That is the truth
and the curse of this world: that it is bereft
of purpose. It is merely here, and it continues
as its patterns, and accident, and the force of
contesting wills press it. Finally, as all
energy upon it is drawn inexorably out into the
cosmos from whence it was fashioned, it will
grow cold, and go out." --Melkor [Pg 25],
The Second Scroll - Sauron to Pallando.
Morlindale: The Song of Illuminate Darkness
by Michael A. Aquino ((c)2003)
http://www.xeper.org/maquino
[][][][][]
See also:
ARE YOU A FIELD? by M.A.A. [ July 31, 2004 ]
http://pweb.netcom.com/~mthorn/0ncetime.htm
[][][][][]
UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities
by John B. Alexander, Ph.D.
New York: Thomas Dunne Books, 2011
- reviewed by Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
U.S. Army Space Intelligence Officer 35B3Y (Ret.)
INTELLIGENCER: Journal of U.S. Intelligence Studies
http://www.afio.com/22_intelligencer.htm
http://www.afio.com/publications/INTL_TableOfContents.pdf
http://www.afio.com/index.html
~o0-O-o0~
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| From: JACK SARFATTI <
| To: Adam <
| Cc: MT <
| Thorn Alley <
| Subject: Re: Retro Temporal Paradox Avoidance
| Bifurcation Syndrome
| & Deser's model, Kip Thorne
| Date: Dec 21, 2011 1:15 PM
On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Adam wrote:
Stephen Baxter has Polchinski's Pool-Table
make an appearance in the authorised sequel
to H.G.Wells's "The Time Machine", Baxter's
"The Time Ships". He uses it to explain how
consistency can be set up with a higher-level
definition of causality.
On Dec 21, 2011 1:15 PM, J. Sarfatti wrote:
I need a precise URL reference.
-=[[ NOTE: "In Stephen Baxter's The Time Ships,
a sequel to H. G. Wells's The Time Machine,
the Time Traveler explains that his
researches into time travel began when a
mysterious yet vaguely familiar stranger
passed him a mineral, the Plattnerite,
which he used to construct the machine.
Over the course of his subsequent travels
which involve the alteration of history,
he discovers that the stranger was in fact
his future self. Eventually, with the help
of humanity's descendants, he restores the
timeline and travels into the past to pass
the Plattnerite to his younger self."
An Imprecise URL of closed timelike curves:
http://tinyurl.com/SB-TIME-SHIP ]]=-
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--- El Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM, "David Mathes" escribio:
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| From: David Mathes <
| To: MT <
| JACK SARFATTI <
| Cc: Thorn Alley <
| Subject: Re: Retro Temporal Paradox Avoidance
| Bifurcation Syndrome
| & Deser's model, Kip Thorne
| Date: Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM
MT
The short answer is that Hawking might reassess
assumptions in his equations like only positive
energy and positive mass. Perhaps the approach
of Dirac would be helpful with negative energy.
Hawking could expand his horizons with the ADM
model circa 1960.
In general, time travel is fraught with problems.
Navigation would be a real pain. There is no GPS
across time (or at least it would be limited).
First, one has to establish a reference frame.
Local, distant, layers? One could claim a spot
but the details are an exercise in navigation
that probably are best done stepwise instead
of great leaps.
-=[[ NOTE: Quote: ("not a problem - use CMB
temperature and isotropy
relative to Hubble flow.
See Tamara Davis's PhD
on line." -- J. Sarfatti)
http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/download/tamarad/papers/
http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/download/tamarad/astro/index.html ]]=-
If there is an absolute frame with respect to
at least the sun, then there is the minor issue
maintaining the same spot on earth which is
rotating beneath one's location at 1,000 mph
and traveling some 67,000 mph orbiting the sun.
That is an undergraduate problem at Cal Tech
and other fine institutions.
Add corrections for the slight changes in
gravitational pull for earth, moon and sun,
and perhaps the rest of the solar system as
well, and we have nice warmup for the grad
student working on a frame dragging navigation
system. Perhaps a set of distance reference
stars might help.
Furthermore, one might want to have a navigation
system that has cGh sensors. Even the practioners
may have difficulty if any of the usual "universal"
constants vary.
When should time travel be attempted? Perhaps
when all the CPT anomalies to the Standard Model
are resolved - b-meson decay would be a good start.
Quantum gravity may be a requirement depending on
how fast (local time) an individual wanted to
travel thru time.
In an expansionist universe, time travel may
require swimming upriver against the river of time.
There is the issue of traveling using some sort
of tunneling technique. Modified benign wormholes
(Thorne et al) is one possibility. A more exotic
solution might be Meholic's Tri-space theory.
In general, a time traveler might find it easier
to step out of this universe to an adjacent one
and pop back in close to where they want to be.
In the 22nd or 23rd century NASA could undertake
time travel. A few essential steps are required:
establish a signal path to the destination,
establish a small transit path for non-human
logistics supply, protect that path, and finally
allow human transit whether alone or with a vehicle.
Small trail blazing units based on nanotechnology
would establish a navigation signal network.
Then a MEMs droid or communicative robot would
follow the signal and prepare for human transit.
The human vehicle (whether a spacesuit or shuttle)
would then follow the path to the droid they are
looking for...
One has to be careful in time travel. The whole
universe has to change but the assumption is
that locally, time moves forward. The barrier
between forward time in the time bubble and
retro time may need to be a layered nest to
reduce the stress tensor possibilities.
Best
David
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eMpTy:
Prof. Hawking most recently said that
Time Travel was only possible to the
future, because Time Travel to
the past is fraught with paradox.
He used the example of a man who
builds a time machine that takes him
back in time 2 minutes before he
'steps into the time machine.' If he
subsequently 'prevents' the man that
is his 'past self' from stepping into
the time machine, then the man who does
the time traveling cannot possibly
exist to perform this action. Paradox.
JS:
___________________________________________
This is a Red Herring as shown by
Kip Thorne, Igor Novikov et-al.
___________________________________________
eMpTy:
I don't know, (how could I?); and yet,
the below text reads like tortured
wishful thinking in an attempt to
evade the simultaneously unsatisfying
and wildly intriguing notion of
paradox-avoiding-bifurcating-timelines,
and replacing it with an equally
troubling contortionist's appeal to
'closed timelike curves' as long as
they meet highly specific non-disruptive
parameters that curve in on themselves.
Sort of like P.D. Ouspensky's old theory
of 'Eternal Recurrence' whose ancestor
was Metempsychosis - kind of like
Reincarnation, only closed in an eternal
loop - which ties in a bit with your other
discussion regarding free will, and/or
its complete impossibility in its
current evolutionary, illusory form...
Anyway, 'closed timelike curves' sounds
a bit like 'bifurcated timelines' to me.
Happy Solstice!
-- eMpTy 2:O3AM 2I|D3C|2OII
http://tinyurl.com/eyedead
Novikov self-consistency principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
The Novikov self-consistency principle,
also known as the Novikov self-consistency
conjecture, is a principle developed by
Russian physicist Igor Dmitriyevich Novikov
in the mid-1980s to solve the problem of
paradoxes in time travel, which is
theoretically permitted in certain solutions
of general relativity (solutions containing
what are known as closed timelike curves).
Stated simply, the Novikov consistency
principle asserts that if an event exists
that would give rise to a paradox, or to
any "change" to the past whatsoever, then
the probability of that event is zero.
In short, it says that it's impossible
to create time paradoxes.
History of the principle
Physicists have long been aware that there
are solutions to the theory of general
relativity which contain closed timelike
curves, or CTCs--see for example the
Godel metric. Novikov discussed the
possibility of CTCs in books written in
1975 and 1983, offering the opinion that
only self-consistent trips back in time
would be permitted. In a 1990 paper by
Novikov and several others, Cauchy problem
in spacetimes with closed timelike curves,
the authors state:
The only type of causality violation that
the authors would find unacceptable is
that embodied in the science-fiction
concept of going backward in time and
killing one's younger self ("changing the
past"). Some years ago one of us
(Novikov10) briefly considered the
possibility that CTCs might exist and
argued that they cannot entail this type
of causality violation: Events on a CTC
are already guaranteed to be self-consistent,
Novikov argued; they influence each other
around a closed curve in a self-adjusted,
cyclical, self-consistent way. The other
authors recently have arrived at the
same viewpoint.
We shall embody this viewpoint in a principle
of self-consistency, which states that the only
solutions to the laws of physics that can occur
locally in the real Universe are those which
are globally self-consistent. This principle
allows one to build a local solution to the
equations of physics only if that local solution
can be extended to a part of a (not necessarily
unique) global solution, which is well defined
throughout the nonsingular regions of
the spacetime.
Among the coauthors of this 1990 paper were Kip Thorne,
Mike Morris, and Ulvi Yurtsever, who in 1988 had
stirred up renewed interest in the subject of time
travel in general relativity with their paper Wormholes,
Time Machines, and the Weak Energy Condition, which
showed that a new general relativity solution known
as a traversable wormhole could lead to closed timelike
curves, and unlike previous CTC-containing solutions
it did not require unrealistic conditions for the
universe as a whole. After discussions with another
coauthor of the 1990 paper, John Friedman, they
convinced themselves that time travel need not lead
to unresolvable paradoxes, regardless of what type
of object was sent through the wormhole.
In response, another physicist named Joseph Polchinski
sent them a letter in which he argued that one could
avoid questions of free will by considering a
potentially paradoxical situation involving a billiard
ball sent through a wormhole which sends it back in
time. In this scenario, the ball is fired into a
wormhole at an angle such that, if it continues along
that path, it will exit the wormhole in the past at
just the right angle to collide with its earlier self,
thereby knocking it off course and preventing it from
entering the wormhole in the first place.
Thorne deemed this problem "Polchinski's paradox".
After considering the problem, two students at
Caltech (where Thorne taught), Fernando Echeverria
and Gunnar Klinkhammer, were able to find a solution
beginning with the original billiard ball trajectory
proposed by Polchinski which managed to avoid any
inconsistencies. In this situation, the billiard ball
emerges from the future at a different angle than
the one used to generate the paradox, and delivers
its younger self a glancing blow instead of knocking
it completely away from the wormhole, a blow which
changes its trajectory in just the right way so that
it will travel back in time with the angle required
to deliver its younger self this glancing blow.
Echeverria and Klinkhammer actually found that
there was more than one self-consistent solution,
with slightly different angles for the glancing
blow in each case. Later analysis by Thorne and
Robert Forward showed that for certain initial
trajectories of the billiard ball, there could
actually be an infinite number of self-consistent
solutions.
Echeverria, Klinkhammer and Thorne published a
paper discussing these results in 1991; in
addition, they reported that they had tried to
see if they could find any initial conditions
for the billiard ball for which there were no
self-consistent extensions, but were unable to
do so. Thus it is plausible that there exist
self-consistent extensions for every possible
initial trajectory, although this has not been
proven. This only applies to initial conditions
which are outside of the chronology-violating
region of spacetime, which is bounded by a
Cauchy horizon. This could mean that the Novikov
self-consistency principle does not actually
place any constraints on systems outside of the
region of spacetime where time travel is
possible, only inside it. [...] CONT...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
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On Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM, JACK SARFATTI <
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| From: JACK SARFATTI <
| To: MT <
| Subject: Re: Retro Temporal Paradox Avoidance
| Bifurcation Syndrome & Deser's model, Kip Thorne
| Date: Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM
On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:58 AM, MT wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:35:47, JACK SARFATTI <
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| Subject: Re: Is Deser's negative bare mass electron
| is stable, 100yr starship & Kerr-Newman-de Sitter
| metric in Bohm hidden variable model of
| extend ed lepto-quarks
| From: JACK SARFATTI <
| Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:35:47 -0800
|
| To: "
Star Gate
Making Star Trek Real
Jack Sarfatti
[...]
Hawking's Objection
Stephen Hawking has conjectured that time
travel to the past is not possible because
quantum gravity effects will destroy the
wormhole star gate time machine. His friend
Kip Thorne is not so sure that is the case.
It's my opinion that the good flying saucer
evidence shows that Hawking is wrong.
Indeed, the extraterrestrials may well be
our future descendants coming back in time
to make sure they exist. Igor Novikov calls
this a consistent loop in time. [...]
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Dr. Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D.
http://www.stardrive.org
Dr. James F. Woodward, Ph.D.
http://physics.fullerton.edu/~jimw/general/
http://physics.fullerton.edu/component/zoo/item/dr-james-f-woodward
Dr. Stanley Deser, Ph.D.
http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/physics/people/faculty/deser.html
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The News Forum of the Tau Zero Foundation
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=18076
Progress Toward the Dream of Space Drives and Stargates
by Paul Gilster on May 23, 2011
by James F. Woodward
I first wrote about James Woodward's work
in my 2004 book Centauri Dreams: Imagining and
Planning Interstellar Exploration, and have
often been asked since to comment further on
his research. But it's best to leave that to
the man himself, and I'm pleased to turn today's
post over to him. [...]
[...] Guided by Mach's principle and Luchak's
Newtonian approximation for gravity -- and a
simple calculation done by Dennis Sciama in his
doctoral work for Paul Dirac in the early
1950s -- it is possible to show that when
extended massive objects are accelerated, if
their "internal" energies change during the
accelerations, fluctuations in their masses
should occur. That's the purchase on gravity
and inertia you need. (Ironically, though these
effects are not obviously present in the field
equations of GRT or electrodynamics, they do not
depend on any novel coupling of those fields.
JS:
___________________________________________
The above is hard to reconcile with qft's
point particle model. The only extended
structure is the dressing cloud of virtual
particle plasma. I have shown that the
induced gravity from the virtual particles
is strong enough to stabilize an extended
thin shell of (electro-weak-strong) charges
independent of the qed Casimir force.
___________________________________________
So, no "new physics" is required.) But that
alone is not enough. You need two more things.
First, you need experimental results that show
that this theorizing actually corresponds to
reality. And second, you need to show how
"Mach effects" can be used to make the Jupiter
masses of exotic matter needed for stargates
and warp drives. This can only be done with a
theory of matter that includes gravity.
The Standard Model of serious physics, alas,
does not include gravity. A model for matter
that includes gravity was constructed in 1960
by three physicists of impeccable credentials.
They are Richard Arnowitt (Texas A and M),
Stanley Deser (Brandeis), and Charles Misner
(U. of Maryland). Their "ADM" model can be
adapted to answer the question: Does some
hideously large amount of exotic matter lie
shrouded in the normal matter we deal with
every day? Were the answer to this question
"no", you probably wouldn't be reading this.
Happily, the argument about the nature of
matter and the ADM model that bears on the
wormhole problem can be followed with little
more than high school algebra. And it may be
that shrouded in everyday stuff all around us,
including us, is the Jupiter mass of exotic
matter we want. Should it be possible to expose
the exotic bare masses of the elementary
particles that make up normal matter, then
stargates may lie in our future -- and if in
our future, perhaps our present and past
as well. [...]
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=18076
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See also: Recent Publications by
Dr. Stanley Deser, Ph.D.
"Arbitrary Spin Representations in
deSitter from dS/CFT with Applications
to dS Supergravity" (with A. Waldron),
hep-th/0301068, submitted to Nucl. Phys. B.
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th?0301068
"Gravitational Energy in Quadratic-Curvature
Gravities" (with B. Tekin) hep-th/0205318,
Phys. Rev. Lett. 89, 101101 (2002).
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th?hep-th%2F0205318
"Large Gauge Transformations and Non-Abelian
Finite Temperature Effective Actions"
(with L. Griguolo and D. Seminara) hep-th/0212140,
Phys. Rev. D (in press).
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th?hep-th%2F0212140
"Some Remarks on Dirac's Contributions
to General Relativity," gr-qc/0301097,
to appear in the Proceedings,
Dirac Centennial, Florida State University, 2002.
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0301097
http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/physics/people/faculty/deser.html
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FIRST ADDENDUM
(( MEANWHILE... [Circa: June 2010]... eMpTy ))
Prof. Hawking most recently said that
Time Travel was only possible to the
future, because Time Travel to
the past is fraught with paradox.
He used the example of a man who
builds a time machine that takes him
back in time 2 minutes before he
'steps into the time machine.' If he
subsequently 'prevents' the man that
is his 'past self' from stepping into
the time machine, then the man who does
the time traveling cannot possibly
exist to perform this action. Paradox.
JS:
___________________________________________
This is a Red Herring as shown by
Kip Thorne, Igor Novikov et-al.
___________________________________________
Therefore, Hawking admits that although
time travel to the past is impossible,
time travel to the future is easily done.
Simply approach the speed of light, and
as your clocks slow down, relative to the
outside, the reality outside speeds up.
Balance is compensated with relativity
in space-time. To be fair, Prof. Hawking
did not mention the notion of parallel
realities and bifurcating timelines.
The 'Parallel Universe' theory is the only
theory that allows time travel to the past,
but the illusion of 'past' time travel
is compensated for by leaving the timeline
entirely; so, technically, the past is
an illusion, merely another parallel
reality not within the timeline in which
you started. In other words, the only way
to travel backwards is to jump onto an
entirely different timeline which creates
the illusion of traveling backwards.
The arrow of time is not violated, and
you lose track of your original timeline,
existing thereafter in a parallel, seemingly
'past' timeline (assuming the reality isn't
completely divergent!) At its core, 'time'
really is illusory. Einstein said it
didn't really exist, but was a human
cognitive construct. All we ever really
know is now. We can only travel in the now,
creating various illusions along the way.
[SEE: 'Into The Universe with Stephen Hawking'
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/stephen-hawking/ ]
I guess that wonderful notion of 'us'
jumping into a time machine to take a
look at what Ezekiel saw way back when
and realizing he saw us in our time
machine, was really less about going
backwards and more about going SIDEWAYS
onto a parallel track where a parallel
Ezekiel existed contemporaneously with
'us.' Hmmmm... Quoting Saul Paul Sirag:
"There's been some speculation that the
Ezekiel vision was of what we today would
call a flying saucer. In other words, an
object of advanced technology.
It's hard to know one way or another,
but I've been wondering if it was not
a time machine of some sort. Recently
in Physical Review Abstracts (D 15 March
1974) there was a report [by Frank Tipler]
of the possibility of time travel by means
of a rotating cylinder. It would be odd
if we were to go in such a time machine
to visit Ezekiel's time and place.
We could do this, because we know the
day he saw his vision, since he carefully
recorded the time (a date equivalent to
July 5, 592 BCE give or take a day) and
place. It would be odd if in doing
this -- to have a peek at Ezekiel's
vision it turned out that what Ezekiel
saw was just us in our time machine
trying to have a peek at his vision."
-- Saul-Paul Sirag (May 1974)
home.netcom.com/~mthorn/quad4b.htm
So, in a Multiverse, given a near infinite number
of earths, (and Ezekiels), e.g. Earth Prime,
Earth^2, Earth^3, Earth^4... all at various
waveform manifestations with separate timelines,
we could conceivably convince ourselves of all
sorts of possibilities as they might apply to the
illusory nature of time travel. Perhaps we'll
figure this all out, in time...? AND...
Yes...
The curiosity of 'entropy,' light speed, time dilation,
etc., according to relativity, quite proven by GPS
satellite's onboard clocks slightly out of phase with
earth surface clocks, and myriad's of other cosmological,
quantum mechanical anti-intuitive shenanigans, verified;
time travel, apparently is limited to future travel
only... Curiouser and curiouser, however, the speed of
light is, yea verily, limited to approx. 186,000 miles
per second in 'SPACE' - lovely inflating invisible space,
created, it seems, following the inflationary big bang
dohicky, inflating, by the way, FASTER than the speed of
light! Is that not interesting? That space itself may
expand faster than the speed of light, while the light
within the superluminal inflation of space maintains
its photonic speed limit! Therefore, if one could
perhaps circumvent 'space,' one could circumvent the
speed of light? Definitely not a technology for
beginner fire apes. Seeya 'round the mountain!
"When She Comes...
She'll be Riding 6 White Horses,
She'll be Riding 6 White Horses,
She'll be Riding 6 White Horses,
"When She Comes... "
Which reminds me of the blood curdling gargoyles
stationed at the portal to the pylons of the Temple
of Cool Stuff specifically designed to occupy and
derange the minds of barely evolved primates in search
of specificity and shiny things. It gives them
something to gnash their teeth and shiver their timbers
over on the way toward enlightenment and non attachment
to such things as temples, gargoyles, monkeys, horse-
power, artificial intelligence, hyper-conspiratorial
gyrations of an anti-critical thinking mode, and other
amusements of a lucidly dreaming collective.
Then again... Never mind.
22|JUNE|2010 CE | 4:08 AM | Earth Prime?
http://tinyurl.com/eyedead
Eye-Dead: STAR LIGHT FIVE AT 3:33 :
http://pweb.netcom.com/~mthorn/eyedead.htm
Betelgeuse: 600 light-years away
Bellatrix: 245 light-years away
Alnitak: 800 light-years away
Alnilam: 1340 light-years away
Mintaka: 915 light-years away
Saiph: 720 light-years away
Rigel: 770 light-years away
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SECOND ADDENDUM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SarfattiScienceSeminars/messages
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Subject: What Do You Know About: Interstellar (2014)?
[Correction: DARK FLOW (FINAL MESSAGE |
Re: "Reoxidized Nitrous Oxide used as a
Gate Dielectric for Charge-Trapping
Non Volatile Memory")]
Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 0:54
What Do You Know About: Interstellar (2014)?
Interstellar (2014)
"An exploration of physicist
Kip Thorne's theories of
gravity fields, wormholes and
several hypotheses that
Albert Einstein was never
able to prove." [...]
'Interstellar, Steven Spielberg,
ORIGINAL TITLE, Interstellar.
YEAR. 2014.' [...]
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Interstellar+%282014%29
NASA's Gravity Probe B (GP-B) mission
has confirmed two key predictions
derived from Albert Einstein's general
theory of relativity, which the
spacecraft was designed to test.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/gpb/
[Note: "The Gravity Probe B gyroscopes
are the most perfect spheres ever made
by humans. If these ping pong-sized
balls of fused quartz and silicon were
the size of the Earth, the elevation
of the entire surface would vary by
no more than 12 feet."]
The experiment, launched in 2004,
used four ultra-precise gyroscopes
to measure the hypothesized geodetic
effect, the warping of space and time
around a gravitational body, and
frame-dragging, the amount a spinning
object pulls space and time with it as
it rotates. GP-B determined both
effects with unprecedented precision
by pointing at a single star,
IM Pegasi, while in a polar orbit
around Earth.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/gpb/
LIGO - Laser Interferometer
Gravitational Wave Observatory
http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/
Simulating eXtreme Spacetimes:
A Caltech-Cornell Project's simulation
of black holes and other extreme spacetimes:
http://www.black-holes.org/researchers3.html
Gravitational Wave Astronomy:
http://www.black-holes.org/gwa1.html
Ripples in the Fabric of Space Time:
[...] "...The Earth orbiting the Sun is
just like a paddle spinning and stirring
up spacetime so that gravitational waves
travel out across spacetime." [...]
http://www.black-holes.org/gwa1.html
Kip Thorne
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kip/scripts/biosketch.html
Born in Logan Utah in 1940, Kip Thorne
received his B.S. degree from Caltech in 1962
and his Ph.D. from Princeton University
in 1965. After two years of postdoctoral study,
Thorne returned to Caltech as an Associate
professor in 1967, was promoted to Professor
of Theoretical Physics in 1970, became
The William R. Kenan, Jr., Professor in 1981,
and The Feynman Professor of Theoretical
Physics in 1991.
In June 2009 Thorne resigned his Feyman
Professorship (becoming the Feynman Professor
of Theoretical Physics, Emeritus) in order
to ramp up a new career in writing, movies,
and continued scientific research. His principal
current writing project is a textbook on
classical physics. His principal current movie
project is Interstellar, for which he
co-authored the story and is executive producer,
and Steven Spielberg is the Director.
[NOTE: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/ ]
[...] He is a co-founder (with Weiss and Drever) of
the LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave
Observatory) Project and he chaired the steering
committee that led LIGO in its earliest years
(1984-87). In the 1980s, 90s and 2000s he and
his research group have provided theoretical
support for LIGO, including identifying
gravitational wave sources that LIGO should
target, laying foundations for data analysis
techniques by which their waves will be sought,
designing the baffles to control scattered light
in the LIGO beam tubes, and --- in collaboration
with Vladimir Braginsky's (Moscow Russia)
research group --- inventing quantum-nondemolition
designs for advanced gravity-wave detectors. [...]
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kip/scripts/biosketch.html
For a short[!] biographical sketch, please click here:
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~kip/scripts/shortbio.html
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Approaching Solar System's Edge,
Voyager Probes Detect A Foamy Sea
of Magnetic Bubbles
http://tinyurl.com/Popsci-Voyager-Bubbles
(A frothy moat, not a shield,
protects us from cosmic rays)
[...]
"Along with revising their theories about the
sun's protective casing, scientists may also
need to revise accepted theories about cosmic
rays themselves. If the moat affects how many
get in, there could be more or less of them
than we thought. This could change our
understanding of the early Milky Way and how
stars interact with the rest of the galaxy.
Understanding cosmic rays will be crucial for
interplanetary missions, because the low-energy
radiation can harm astronauts who venture
outside of Earth's protective magnetic fields."
[...]
http://tinyurl.com/Popsci-Voyager-Bubbles
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THIRD ADDENDUM
See also, STARGATE:
http://home.netcom.com/~mthorn/stargate.htm
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"The Neurobiology of Narratives" --QUOTE:
"The impact of narratives on human psychology
ranges widely from what events we remember
most easily to our choices about important
foundational behaviors to include our degree
of trust in others. Since the brain is the
proximate cause of our actions, narratives
have a direct impact on the neurobiological
processes of both the senders and receivers
of them. Understanding how narratives inform
neurobiological processes is critical if we
are to ascertain what effect narratives have
on the psychology and neurobiology of human
choices and behaviors, and can assist in
everything ranging from exploring how Post-
Traumatic Stress Disorder is influenced by
event repetition to better understanding the
thoughts and feelings of others." :UNQUOTE--
http://www.darpa.mil/Opportunities/Solicitations/DSO_Solicitations.aspx
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With atavistic affection, respect and understanding
for each person's right to their rites, in commemorating
the ancient rock carvings that catch a sliver of the
final rays of the dying disk of life, signaling to the
people to ignite their bonfires, string torches around
their cave entrances, party hearty to alleviate their
dismal gloom in the waning days and coming endless night
of their dying Sun, to observe with wonder the disk's
descent, halting at a maximum depth, the transgressions
of the people apparently forgiven, as the Sun gives
birth to itself, the light of the life regenerated,
sustaining with gradual vigor the health of flora and
fauna, all the biosphere, gravitationally anchored to
the surface of our beloved orb, under the incarnate,
watchful eye of a new born Sun. Happy Winter Solstice!
-- eMpTy 22 December 2011
http://tinyurl.com/filter-2oii
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THE PHYSICS OF CONSCIOUSNESS
[...] The weak force is carried by a trinity
of very heavy particles: the W^+, W^-, and
Z^o particles. The W^+ particle carries a
positive electric charge, the W^- particle
carries a negative electric charge like the
electron, and the Z^o carries no charge.
This trinity of particles has the ability to
change the flavors of quarks; for example,
they can change a down quark into an up quark.
Our inventory then includes (1) the four
forces: gravitation, electromagnetism, the
strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear
force, (2) the quarks that form the mesons and
baryons, and (3) the leptons: electrons, muons
and tau particles, along with their neutrinos.
The four forces involve the graviton, the
photon, eight gluons, and three particles that
carry the weak force. That is 13 particles.
Then there are the leptons: electrons,
electron neutrinos and their antiparticles,
the positron and electron antineutrino; the
muon, which looks in every way just like an
electron except that it is heavier, its muon
neutrino, and their two antiparticles; and the
tau particle, which is just a fat muon,
together with its neutrino and their
antiparticles. That is 12 leptons.
Finally, we have the set of six quarks,
which come in six flavors and three TV-colors,
together with an entire set of antiquarks
having Xerox-colors and opposite electric
charges. This makes a total of 36 kinds of
quarks. Thus we have 36 quarks, 12 leptons,
and 13 particles involved with the four forces.
Altogether that makes 61 kinds of particles.
That is the "standard model."
In addition to these, there is one more
particle called a Higgs boson, a particle
expected to be like a quanta (i.e., the chunks
of energy) postulated to give the W^+, W^-, and
Z^o particles their heavy masses. To say the
least, as Chris Quigg put it in Scientific
American, "By the criterion of simplicity the
standard model does not seem to represent
progress over the ancient view of matter as
made up of earth, air, fire and water,
interacting through love and strife."
[...] Page 82; Chapter 6 - Hunt for the
Tin Man's Heart; THE PHYSICS OF
CONSCIOUSNESS, The Quantum Mind
And The Meaning Of Life (c) 2000
By Evan Harris Walker [1935-2006]
ISBN 0-7382-0436-6
http://www.google.com/search?q=Evan+Harris+Walker
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NOVA | What Are Dreams?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/what-are-dreams.html
============================================
Researchers Prove A Single Memory Is Processed
In Three Separate Parts Of The Brain
(February 1, 2006) -- University of California,
Irvine researchers have found that a single brief
memory is actually processed differently in
separate areas of the brain -- an idea that until
now scientists have only suspected to be true.
The finding will influence how researchers examine
the brain and could have implications for the
treatment of memory disorders caused by disease
or injury. [...] full story:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060202182107.htm
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http://tinyurl.com/W01T-0N-H1GG5
[ No wonder the Vatican is freaking out! ]
Such an eerie, almost unseemly irony,
this latest Pope's Invocation of the
"The great Galileo" who only as recent
as the previous Pope's reign received
a half-hearted apology. Now this Pontif
wants to beatify his predecessor, while
both fumbled the horrific 'Short-Eyes'
clergy scandal. Can that be forgiven?!
THE PONTIFICAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES
International Symposium on
Subnuclear Physics:
Past, Present and Future
30 October -2 November 2011 | Casina Pio IV
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/
Perhaps the Vatican should worry less
about advances in quantum mechanics,
particle physics and the discoveries
made therein that the Vatican feels
possibly threatened by and therefore
inclined to take preemptive steps to
spin the data according to their age
old intermediary methods of constrain
and control, and instead worry more
about the Human Sexological Psychology
of a significant percentage of their
clergy. Undoubtedly, anything 'human'
or divergently 'human' that the Vatican
encounters which presents a problem to
their self-anointed preeminence in
thought control, can so very easily be
dismissed as 'the work of the devil,'
instantly precluding any sort of
reasonable approach to dealing with it
in a mature and well informed manner.
Sessuologia - Le istituzioni in Italia
http://www.informagiovani.it/sessualita/istituzioni.htm
http://tinyurl.com/W01T-0N-H1GG5
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On Sunday, 18 December, 2011 8:28, "Thorn Alley" wrote:
Algorithm:
"In mathematics and computer science,
an algorithm is an effective method
expressed as a finite list of
well-defined instructions for
calculating a function."
~o0-O-0o~
"Are Computers Creative?"
Studio 360 - http://www.studio360.org/2011/dec/16/
~o0-O-0o~
"God does not play dice with the Universe?"
An article by Jack Sarfatti [ http://stardrive.org ]
-=[[ NOTE: "ORIGINAL IN ITALIAN
THIS IS A GOOGLE
TRANSLATION" - JS ]]=-
http://tinyurl.com/GDNPDWTUAABJS-12-17-11
~o0-O-0o~
The First Artificially Intelligent SELF-AWARE Device?*
Typically, AI engineers recognize the infinitely
difficult ready-made example to emulate. Following
four billion years of life: manifesting, dividing,
mutating, surviving; developing naturally selected
mechanisms of avoidance, attraction, aggression,
nurturing, symbiosis, osmosis, destruction,
construction, invention, inquiry, and EMOTION...
At best, Artificial Intelligence has achieved a
kind of self-teaching, search engine method of
mimicry, entirely a trick of abstract mathematics,
devoid of any real self-referencing awareness.
This is about to change, and may have already been
achieved elsewhere in the multiverse.
The First Artificially Intelligent SELF-AWARE Device
will be designed to accommodate nested levels of
continuous informational input. Data regarding its
own construction down to the molecular level and
power variances, with the latter providing emotion-
emulation sensor feedback relating to performance
and behavioral interpretation relevancy, will
all run continuous with constant updates on all
infrastructural coordinates emanating from every
conceivable source of information available on
and off the planet. Self-awareness, with an
emulated emotional component will synergistically
appear within the central core of the device's
pseudo-metabolic equilibrium calibration system.
The initial size and power requirements of the
device will dwarf current building-sized
supercomputer networks, but with the eventual
implementation of bio-quantum hybrid entanglement
systems, size will shrink small enough to fit
inside any autonomous ambulatory mechanized shell.
[ To Be Continued... -- eMpTy 11:33PM, I7|DEC|II ]
([ http://tinyurl.com/MT-RETINA ])
... Imagine an infinite cloud of eternal
potential, undefined; whereupon 'consciousness'
notices a point in the cloud, and that specific
point facilitates a collapse of a wave function,
defining a tangible reality: one universe amid
a potential multiversal cloud. These emergent
parallel realities, where timelines bifurcate
into separate universes, may basically be how
time-travel paradoxes are circumvented. If you
travel back in time to successfully convince
your great, great, great grandfather to a life
of celibacy, you manage to erase your emergence
in that timeline, but not the timeline of your
origin. They are separate, parallel timelines.
Therefore, 'paradox' is hypothetically averted.
Happy Quantum Surfing & 'Brane' Shuffling!
-=[[ NOTE: Notwithstanding a more independent,
fluid notion of consciousness, regardless of
space/time specificity, or parental fixations. ]]=-
http://pweb.netcom.com/~mthorn/mtretina.htm
~o0-O-0o~
_________________________________________
[ And, of course, as reads the title of
Dr. Peter Woit's book, quoting Wolfgang
Pauli: "NOT EVEN WRONG" (With the word
'Wrong' printed in mirror image!) ]
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GOOD BYE...
Mark Thornally
eMpTy - 1:55AM, 20|DEC|2011
http://tinyurl.com/EYEDEAD
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Happy Solstice
Merry New Year
-- Indrid Cold
22December2011
--- On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:40:19 +0000 (GMT), Thorn Alley wrote:
--- On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:01:59, Paul Zielinski wrote:
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| Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:01:59 -0800
| From: Paul Zielinski <
| To: JACK SARFATTI <
| CC: "JF Woodward" <
| [...]
| Subject: Re: Woodward's phi = c^2 only makes sense at
event horizons in Einstein's GR for SSS solutions
On 1/4/2012 7:31 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:
[JS:]
Z, Woodward's argument is totally
unintelligible to me because
1) I don't know what he means by
"inertial reaction forces" in
terms of the language of GR
[PZ:]
I think he means what everyone else means.
[JS:]
Here is what I mean
inertial reaction force IRF is always on
the detector not on a geodesic test particle
[PZ:]
Test particle *is* a detector if you are
measuring inertial reaction. Of course a
test object experiences inertial reaction
when pushed off a geodesic!
[JS:]
IRFdetector ~ c^2{Levi-Civita
Connection}^i =1,2,3 00
c is always a universal absolute constant in
vacuum provided we can neglect vacuum
polarization from the virtual electron-positron
pair zero point plasma - we can to an
extraordinary degree in all experiments so far.
2) and of course I haven't a clue about what
Jim means by phi = c^2 comes from FRW metric
when k = 0.
[PZ:]
Well this is the question.
[From Wikipedia:]
// ----------------------------------
The Friedmann equations are equivalent
to this pair of equations:
-=[[ equations omitted ]]=-
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann_equations ]
The first equation says that the decrease in
the mass contained in a fixed cube (whose side
is momentarily a) is the amount which leaves
through the sides due to the expansion of the
universe plus the mass equivalent of the work
done by pressure against the material being
expelled. This is the conservation of
mass-energy (first law of thermodynamics)
contained within apart of the universe.
The second equation says that the kinetic
energy (seen from the origin) of a particle
of unit mass moving with the expansion plus
its (negative) gravitational potential energy
(relative to the mass contained in the sphere
of matter closer to the origin) is equal to
a constant related to the curvature of the
universe. In other words, the energy (relative
to the origin) of a co-moving particle in
free-fall is conserved. General relativity
merely adds a connection between the spatial
curvature of the universe and the energy
of such a particle: positive total energy
implies negative curvature and negative
total energy implies positive curvature.
---------------------------------- //
[PZ:]
So I suppose phi = c^2 is directly related
to the large-scale curvature of the critical
density FRW universe?
But if phi = -h_00/2 = c^2, all covariant
derivatives of h_00 must vanish, and there
is no gravity field -- so the weak field
model doesn't help us.
So I'd still like Jim to explain
how and why phi = c^2 in FRW.
[JS:]
I need to see an algebraic proof of that
in complete detail.
----------- O -----------
On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Paul Zielinski wrote:
[PZ:]
I'm saying that even according to Woodward's
own argument, phi = c^2 is satisfied in an
FRW critical-density universe whether or not
one adopts a Machian model for inertia.
[JS:]
I find that unintelligible without
a mathematical demonstration.
[PZ:]
Yes but my point is that even IF he can prove
it for FRW, it doesn't in itself prove that
inertia is Machian.
[PZ:]
I think I understand Bernstein's argument
for phi = c^2, if phi is the Newtonian
gravitational potential - GM/R, where R is
taken to be the radius of the universe,
on the *assumption* that observers at the
periphery (radius R) all see light speed
recession from the center.
[JS:]
Yeah, well that is BAD PHYSICS. First of all
Bernstein seems to have forgotten about basic
Newtonian potential theory in which there is
NO INTERIOR Newtonian gravity force anywhere
in the interior of a spherically symmetric
static thin shell of mass of radius R and
total mass M.
[PZ:]
There is no mass shell at radius R Jack.
It's just a mathematical shell. The sphere
encloses the universe.
[JS:]
I don't understand "observers at the periphery
(radius R) all see light speed recession from
the center."
What's the math of that? What metric?
[PZ:]
I don't either. Is recession of the periphery from
the center not superluminal in a critical density
FRW universe? Maybe.
[JS:]
It's NOT
g00 = 1 - 2GM/c^2r
because that only works for r > 2GM/c^2
[PZ:]
OK.
[JS:]
The INTERIOR OBSERVER-DEPENDENT
cosmological metric is
g00 = 1 - r^2/A
1/A is the dark energy future event horizon
we are at r = 0
A ~ entropy-area of the horizon
It's Hawking temperature is
T = hc/LpkB
The black body law is energy density ~ T^4
However, the future horizon is an infinite
redshift surface. That implies that
BACK-FROM-THE FUTURE Wheeler-Feynman
Hawking ADVANCED radiation is RED SHIFTED
down to temperature
T = hc/(ALp^2)^1/4
I think I am the first to notice this?
Therefore, the black body radiation energy
density we see at r = 0 is hc/ALP^2 (the
Stephan-Boltzmann constant works out fine)
which is the observed dark energy density.
[PZ:]
But this is merely happenstance. There has
to be more. Does Jim have additional arguments
to show that the universe *must* have critical
mass for fundamental reasons?
[PZ:]
I meant critical mass density.
[JS:]
Again I need to see how k = 0 implies
phi = c^2. What is "phi" in terms of
the FRW math?
[PZ:]
Exactly.
[PZ:]
I'm still not at all clear how the gravitational
potential phi = c^2 translates into GR. The metric
g_uv(x) is the gravitational potential in GR.
It's a tensor potential. So how does Jim get from
phi = c^2 to tensor g_uv? What corresponds to the
Newtonian scalar potential phi in the FRW model?
[JS:]
Indeed, I have asked this a jillion times.
[PZ:]
Linearized model gives us h_00 = -2phi for
the scalar potential, but that's a weak
field approximation.
[JS:]
Right, but it's NOT a constant and if
-2phi/c^2 = 1 then g00 = 0 a horizon, which is
not possible in the weak field and it says that
g00 everywhere-when.
This is complete topsy turvy nonsense in my opinion.
[PZ:]
Looks like it.
[PZ:]
It's not an exact relationship in
the full theory. But OK if we use
this, exactly how do we get
h_00 = -2c^2 from the FRW model?
[JS:]
We don't.
[PZ:]
Let's see what Woodward says about this.
Z.
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[PZ:(?)]
And wouldn't that mean that the first-order
gravitational field vanishes at large scales?
Since in order to get real non-tidal gravity
we need h_00,u =/= 0 for some u in
rectilinear coordinates?
On 1/4/2012 4:54 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:
[PZ:(?)]
As long as the FRW conditions are satisfied,
*according to your own argument* phi = c^2
regardless of whether one adopts a Machian
model for inertia or not. So I think there
is a glaring flaw in your basic
reasoning here.
[JS:(?)]
I don't see how the FRW metric
has phi = c^2. Where is that?
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--- On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 01:58:15, "Andrew" <
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| From: "Andrew" <
| To: <
| CC: <
| [...]
| Subject: Re: Waiting for Woodward (Re: Woodward's
| phi = c^2 only makes sense at event horizons
| in Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)
| Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 01:58:15 -0800
[A-PPP:]
Useful tutorial for some.
What I'm really looking forward to
reading from you, Jim, is a direct
response to Paul & Jack's points.
Andrew
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--- On Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:38 AM, "JF Woodward" wrote:
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| From: <
| To: <
| Cc: [...]
| Date: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:38 AM
| Subject: Re: Waiting for Woodward
(Re: Woodward's phi = c^2 only
makes sense at event horizons in
Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)
[JFW:]
FRW stands for Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (and
when L is included, Lemaitre) cosmological models.
The are predicated on the "cosmological principle"
which asserts that at sufficiently large scale, the
distribution of "matter" [everyting that gravitates]
is homogeneous and isotropic, and aside from
"peculiar", random local motions, partakes in
"Hubble flow" as the universe expands or contracts.
FRW cosmological models come in three types,
identified by their "curvature index" k which is
either +1, 0, or -1. The indexes correspond
respectively to "spherical", flat, and "hyperbolic".
The one of interest here is the (spatially) flat
model with index 0. This model has the distinctive
feature of "critical cosmic matter density", which
corresponds to an "omega" equal to 1. This condition,
if initially present, is time independent.
All the talk about phi = c^2 and FRW cosmology
relates to the fact that for spatially flat universes
with curvature index zero and critical cosmic matter
density, what is the relationship between the
non-gravitational energy and the gravitational
potential energy in any region of spacetime?
The snippet from Bernstein's text on cosmology
that I provided to a few on this list show via
calculation that FRW cosmologies satisfy:
"kinetic" energy - gravitational potential energy = E
where E is an integration constant. To get this
equation in a form where it is expressed in terms
of invariants, you consider the horizon condition.
The horizon is receding from each observer at
speed c, so the "kinetic" or non-gravitational
"energy" will be c^2, and the gravitational
potential energy is just GM/R, where M and R are
the mass and radius of the universe.
Now we have:
c^2 - GM/R = E
and for spatially flat cosmologies E = 0, so:
c^2 = GM/R
GM/R is just "phi". Notice now that if you
multiply through this equation by m, the mass
of the contents of some region of space,
you get:
mc^2 = GmM/R = phi m
That is, the mc^2 energy is exactly equal to
the gravitational potential energy (as mentioned
in the articles that Jack and Paul have circulated
in this discussion).
Now GM/R is the "phi" under discussion, and
c^2 is c^2. So the above shows that for spatially
flat FRW universes phi = c^2. It turns out that
this is exactly the condition required for inertial
reaction forces to be due exclusively to the
gravitational action of chiefly distant matter.
This follows from the calculations of Einstein,
Sciama, and Nordtvedt, as discussed in
earlier emails.
The question of the day seems to be:
Does phi = c^2 as a horizon condition
in spatially flat FRW cosmology (with
critical cosmic matter density) really
mean that this condition is true at
every point in spacetime? The short
answer is yes. Were it not true,
mc^2 = m phi for arbitrary regions of
space would not be true. Homogeneity
and isotropy, however, require that
mc^2 = m phi everywhere.
There are other ways of dealing with the
c^2 = phi issue (that in at least one case
I've already mentioned elsewhere).
But it's late, and this is enough
for this evening.
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-=[[ NOTE: THANK YOU! ]]=-
--- On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:46:35, "eMpTy" wrote:
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| From: MT <
| To: Paul Zielinski <
| JACK SARFATTI <
| "JF Woodward" <
| [...], Cc: [...]
| Subject: Waiting for Woodward (Re: Woodward's
| phi = c^2 only makes sense at event horizons
| in Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)
| Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:46:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
As someone who still has one foot in the Paleolithic age,
there is a slight possibility that I might speak for a
tiny fractional percentage of the mysterious individuals
included on this particular email list when I say:
"You lost me at FRW."
Stooopid question time...
-=[[ NOTE: QUOTE: "These equations are the basis
of the standard big bang cosmological model
including the current /\CDM model. Because the
FLRW model assumes homogeneity, some popular
accounts mistakenly assert that the big bang
model cannot account for the observed lumpiness
of the universe. In a strictly FLRW model, there
are no clusters of galaxies, stars or people,
since these are objects much denser than a
typical part of the universe. Nonetheless,
the FLRW model is used as a first approximation
for the evolution of the real, lumpy universe
because it is simple to calculate, and models
which calculate the lumpiness in the universe
are added onto the FLRW models as extensions.
Most cosmologists agree that the observable
universe is well approximated by an almost
FLRW model, i.e., a model which follows the
FLRW metric apart from primordial density
fluctuations. As of 2003, the theoretical
implications of the various extensions to
the FLRW model appear to be well understood,
and the goal is to make these consistent with
observations from COBE and WMAP." CLOSE QUOTE
http://tinyurl.com/wiki-Walker-FLRW-metric ]]=-
...So, the stooopid question, then, is:
Are you attempting to refine the assimilation
process, whereby old cosmological theories are
updated and integrated with current understanding,
post accelerated inflation, via dark energy, and/or
whatever the best guess interpretation of the
relevant data is, by the best available 'minds'
who are hard at work on this game? And in the
course of this assimilation process, has an
apparent snag, semantically speaking, arisen
that can only be put to rest with the appropriate
algebraic equation? Is the problem really this
complicated, or is there some neurological
fascination with complexity, for complexity's sake,
that has crept into the convoluted folds of the
collective cerebral cortex? --eMpTy 11:45PM
04|Jan|2012
http://tinyurl.com/mtretina
P.S. Or my favorite: I'm a hopeless idiot who will
never understand any aspect of this conundrum?
-=[[NOTE: Yes. I am, of course, speaking only
of myself here. Very tragic, indeed.]]=-
http://home.netcom.com/~mthorn/quad4.htm
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See also:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SarfattiScienceSeminars/messages
JFW: where E is an integration constant. To get this
equation in a form where it is expressed in terms
of invariants, you consider the horizon condition.
The horizon is receding from each observer at
speed c,
JS: This is an error as shown by Tamara Davis in her Ph.D.
"We use standard general relativity to clarify common misconceptions about fundamental
aspects of the expansion of the Universe. In the context of the new standard
CDM cosmology we resolve conflicts in the literature regarding cosmic horizons
and the Hubble sphere (distance at which recession velocity = c) and we link these
concepts to observational tests. We derive the dynamics of a non-comoving galaxy
and generalize previous analyses to arbitrary FRW universes. We also derive the
counter-intuitive result that objects at constant proper distance have a non-zero
redshift. Receding galaxies can be blueshifted and approaching galaxies can be redshifted,
even in an empty universe for which one might expect special relativity to
apply. Using the empty universe model we demonstrate the relationship between
special relativity and Friedmann-Robertson-Walker cosmology."
--- On Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:38 AM, "JF Woodward" wrote:
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| To: <
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| Date: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:38 AM
| Subject: Re: Waiting for Woodward
(Re: Woodward's phi = c^2 only
makes sense at event horizons in
Einstein's GR for SSS solutions)
[JFW:]
FRW stands for Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (and
when L is included, Lemaitre) cosmological models.
The are predicated on the "cosmological principle"
which asserts that at sufficiently large scale, the
distribution of "matter" [everyting that gravitates]
is homogeneous and isotropic, and aside from
"peculiar", random local motions, partakes in
"Hubble flow" as the universe expands or contracts.
JS: And this is why Newton's Shell Theorem should approximate apply since universe as a whole does not rotate so no cosmological inertial frame dragging.
JFW: FRW cosmological models come in three types,
identified by their "curvature index" k which is
either +1, 0, or -1. The indexes correspond
respectively to "spherical", flat, and "hyperbolic".
The one of interest here is the (spatially) flat
model with index 0. This model has the distinctive
feature of "critical cosmic matter density", which
corresponds to an "omega" equal to 1. This condition,
if initially present, is time independent.
All the talk about phi = c^2 and FRW cosmology
relates to the fact that for spatially flat universes
with curvature index zero and critical cosmic matter
density, what is the relationship between the
non-gravitational energy and the gravitational
potential energy in any region of spacetime?
JS: How? Where's the math?
JFW: The snippet from Bernstein's text on cosmology
that I provided to a few on this list show via
calculation that FRW cosmologies satisfy:
"kinetic" energy - gravitational potential energy = E
JS: What is that equation above? FRW equations are only for the scale factor a(t). Jim are wrong to extend them down many powers of ten to the lab scale of his experiment.
Look at the first equation the a dot term is what Jim means by "kinetic energy" - which is really here only a metaphor.
The metric here is
therefore a(t) is dimensionless
with k, the spatial curvature index, serving as a constant of integration for the second equation.
The first equation can be derived also from thermodynamical considerations and is equivalent to the first law of thermodynamics, assuming the expansion of the universe is an adiabatic process(which is implicitly assumed in the derivation of the Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric).
The second equation states that both the energy density and the pressure cause the expansion rate of the universe
to decrease, i.e., both cause a deceleration in the expansion of the universe. This is a consequence of gravitation, with pressure playing a similar role to that of energy (or mass) density, according to the principles of general relativity. The cosmological constant, on the other hand, causes an acceleration in the expansion of the universe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker_metric
[edit
JFW: where E is an integration constant. To get this
equation in a form where it is expressed in terms
of invariants, you consider the horizon condition.
The horizon is receding from each observer at
speed c,
JS: This is an error as shown by Tamara Davis in her Ph.D.
JFW: so the "kinetic" or non-gravitational
"energy" will be c^2, and the gravitational
potential energy is just GM/R, where M and R are
the mass and radius of the universe.
Now we have:
c^2 - GM/R = E
JS: This is wrong in my opinion. It does not follow from the FRW equations explicitly given aobve and it certainly does not apply to ordinary objects at our scale. What is R? I don't see any R in the FRW equations and I don't see any E either.
JFW: and for spatially flat cosmologies E = 0,
JS: This is wrong. k = 0 in spatially flat cosmologies. There is no "E".
JFW: so:
c^2 = GM/R
GM/R is just "phi". Notice now that if you
multiply through this equation by m, the mass
of the contents of some region of space,
you get:
mc^2 = GmM/R = phi m
That is, the mc^2 energy is exactly equal to
the gravitational potential energy (as mentioned
in the articles that Jack and Paul have circulated
in this discussion).
JS: This makes no sense to my mind. In any case, one cannot claim that "m" is determined by Mach's principle from this argument.
JFW: Now GM/R is the "phi" under discussion, and
c^2 is c^2. So the above shows that for spatially
flat FRW universes phi = c^2. It turns out that
this is exactly the condition required for inertial
reaction forces to be due exclusively to the
gravitational action of chiefly distant matter.
This follows from the calculations of Einstein,
Sciama, and Nordtvedt, as discussed in
earlier emails.
JS: None of this makes any sense to me. I do not see how what Jim says can be derived from the above FRW equation.
There is nothing in the FRW equations about "phi" or about "inertial reaction forces", there is no "E" there is no "phi".
How does k = 0 imply E = 0? What is E in terms of the FRW equations?
JFW: The question of the day seems to be:
Does phi = c^2 as a horizon condition
JS: Again the error pointed out in Tamara Davis's thesis.
JFW: in spatially flat FRW cosmology (with
critical cosmic matter density) really
mean that this condition is true at
every point in spacetime? The short
answer is yes.
JS: This is wrong. You cannot extrapolate from the cosmological FRW metric where an entire galaxy is a point down to Earth scale and certainly not down to elementary particle scale.
Also the motions we observer are peculiar motions relative to the Hubble scale a(t). The FRW equations tell us nothing about that.
Tamara Davis PhD dissertation
JFW: Were it not true,
mc^2 = m phi for arbitrary regions of
space would not be true. Homogeneity
and isotropy, however, require that
mc^2 = m phi everywhere.
JS: This is false. Homogeneity and isotropy only apply at a large scale coarse graining in which details at our level are completely drowned out in a kind of cosmic tsunami - we are all swept away in the averaging process - conceptually.
JFW: There are other ways of dealing with the
c^2 = phi issue (that in at least one case
I've already mentioned elsewhere).
But it's late, and this is enough
for this evening.
JS: On this closer analysis "phi = c^2" makes even less sense to me than before. I pronounce it dead in the water "not even wrong" in Pauli's sense.
The basic premises are wrong and the logic is not sound in my opinion.